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		<title>Krzysztof Onak: Krzysztof Onak moved page Waiting:Separating PDF and CDF query models to Open Problems:88 without leaving a redirect: The problem is ready for publication</title>
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		<updated>2017-11-08T16:07:57Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Krzysztof Onak moved page &lt;a href=&quot;/index.php?title=Waiting:Separating_PDF_and_CDF_query_models&amp;amp;action=edit&amp;amp;redlink=1&quot; class=&quot;new&quot; title=&quot;Waiting:Separating PDF and CDF query models (page does not exist)&quot;&gt;Waiting:Separating PDF and CDF query models&lt;/a&gt; to &lt;a href=&quot;/index.php?title=Open_Problems:88&quot; title=&quot;Open Problems:88&quot;&gt;Open Problems:88&lt;/a&gt; without leaving a redirect: The problem is ready for publication&lt;/p&gt;
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				&lt;td colspan=&quot;1&quot; style=&quot;background-color: #fff; color: #222; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;Revision as of 16:07, 8 November 2017&lt;/td&gt;
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		<title>Krzysztof Onak: Cleaning the header, small changes</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Cleaning the header, small changes&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;|who=Clément Canonne&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;|who=Clément Canonne&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;−&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;|title=Separating PDF and CDF query models&lt;/del&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;}}&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;}}&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;Recall that in the ''dual'' and ''cumulative dual'' models of distribution testing {{cite|CanonneR-14}}, the testing is provided with two types of access to the unknown probability distribution $p$ (for the sake of the cumulative dual, over a totally ordered domain $[n]=\{1,\dots,n\}$): the first is the usual sampling oracle, which returns i.i.d. samples from $p$; and the second is an evaluation oracle, which on query $i\in[n]$ returns $p(i)$ (or, for the cumulative dual model, returns $p([1,i])=\sum_{j=1}^i p(j)$). In other words, the algorithm has sample access to $p$ ''and'' query access to its probability mass function (resp. cumulative distribution function).&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;Recall that in the ''dual'' and ''cumulative dual'' models of distribution testing {{cite|CanonneR-14}}, the testing is provided with two types of access to the unknown probability distribution $p$ (for the sake of the cumulative dual, over a totally ordered domain $[n]=\{1,\dots,n\}$): the first is the usual sampling oracle, which returns i.i.d. samples from $p$; and the second is an evaluation oracle, which on query $i\in[n]$ returns $p(i)$ (or, for the cumulative dual model, returns $p([1,i])=\sum_{j=1}^i p(j)$). In other words, the algorithm has sample access to $p$ ''and'' query access to its probability mass function (resp. cumulative distribution function).&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;−&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;It is immediate to see that the cumulative dual model is at least as powerful as the dual model, since any query to the pmf of $p$ can be simulated from 2 queries to its cdf. However, currently there is no strict separation known between dual and cumulative dual models for natural properties, i.e. a property $\mathcal{P}$ (or functional $\Phi$) of distributions for which testing (resp. estimation) requires asymptotically significantly more samples in the dual model than in the cumulative dual.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;It is immediate to see that the cumulative dual model is at least as powerful as the dual model, since any query to the pmf of $p$ can be simulated from 2 queries to its cdf. However, currently there is no strict separation known between dual and cumulative dual models for natural properties, i.e.&lt;ins class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;, &lt;/ins&gt;a property $\mathcal{P}$ (or functional $\Phi$) of distributions for which testing (resp. estimation) requires asymptotically significantly more samples in the dual model than in the cumulative dual.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;Does there exist such a separation?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;Does there exist such a separation?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;−&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;Canonne and Rubinfeld show in {{cite|CanonneR-14}} a somewhat contrived separation, for estimating the entropy of distributions promised to be close to monotone. A natural conjecture would be that such a separation would exist for a property of functional where the total order (and thus the cumulative access) is essential, e.g. testing monotonicity or estimating distance to it. (The best currently known upper bounds for testing monotonicity are respectively $O((\log n)/\varepsilon)$ in the dual model, and $\tilde{O}(1/\varepsilon^4)$ in the cumulative dual {{cite|Canonne-15}}.)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;Canonne and Rubinfeld show in {{cite|CanonneR-14}} a somewhat contrived separation, for estimating the entropy of distributions promised to be close to monotone. A natural conjecture would be that such a separation would exist for a property of functional where the total order (and thus the cumulative access) is essential, e.g.&lt;ins class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;, &lt;/ins&gt;testing monotonicity or estimating distance to it. (The best currently known upper bounds for testing monotonicity are respectively $O((\log n)/\varepsilon)$ in the dual model, and $\tilde{O}(1/\varepsilon^4)$ in the cumulative dual {{cite|Canonne-15}}.)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<title>Ccanonne: Created page with &quot;{{Header |source=focs17 |who=Clément Canonne |title=Separating PDF and CDF query models }} Recall that in the ''dual'' and ''cumulative dual'' models of distribution testing...&quot;</title>
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		<updated>2017-10-25T22:29:07Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Created page with &amp;quot;{{Header |source=focs17 |who=Clément Canonne |title=Separating PDF and CDF query models }} Recall that in the &amp;#039;&amp;#039;dual&amp;#039;&amp;#039; and &amp;#039;&amp;#039;cumulative dual&amp;#039;&amp;#039; models of distribution testing...&amp;quot;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;New page&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div&gt;{{Header&lt;br /&gt;
|source=focs17&lt;br /&gt;
|who=Clément Canonne&lt;br /&gt;
|title=Separating PDF and CDF query models&lt;br /&gt;
}}&lt;br /&gt;
Recall that in the ''dual'' and ''cumulative dual'' models of distribution testing {{cite|CanonneR-14}}, the testing is provided with two types of access to the unknown probability distribution $p$ (for the sake of the cumulative dual, over a totally ordered domain $[n]=\{1,\dots,n\}$): the first is the usual sampling oracle, which returns i.i.d. samples from $p$; and the second is an evaluation oracle, which on query $i\in[n]$ returns $p(i)$ (or, for the cumulative dual model, returns $p([1,i])=\sum_{j=1}^i p(j)$). In other words, the algorithm has sample access to $p$ ''and'' query access to its probability mass function (resp. cumulative distribution function).&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
It is immediate to see that the cumulative dual model is at least as powerful as the dual model, since any query to the pmf of $p$ can be simulated from 2 queries to its cdf. However, currently there is no strict separation known between dual and cumulative dual models for natural properties, i.e. a property $\mathcal{P}$ (or functional $\Phi$) of distributions for which testing (resp. estimation) requires asymptotically significantly more samples in the dual model than in the cumulative dual.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Does there exist such a separation?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Canonne and Rubinfeld show in {{cite|CanonneR-14}} a somewhat contrived separation, for estimating the entropy of distributions promised to be close to monotone. A natural conjecture would be that such a separation would exist for a property of functional where the total order (and thus the cumulative access) is essential, e.g. testing monotonicity or estimating distance to it. (The best currently known upper bounds for testing monotonicity are respectively $O((\log n)/\varepsilon)$ in the dual model, and $\tilde{O}(1/\varepsilon^4)$ in the cumulative dual {{cite|Canonne-15}}.)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Ccanonne</name></author>
		
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